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Judged on the basis of the ten commandments, the Anglican, Lutheran, and Reformed churches are all fallen. All of them adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity, all of them deny the duty of Sabbath observance, and all of them serve as State Churches and support offensive military action when they consider it justifiable, thus breaking the commandment Thou shalt not kill. To be a member of such a church is to partake in those sins. To remain a member of the Lutheran church, for example, is to partake of the guilt of Lutheran support of Hitler's crimes against humanity and to keep blood on one's hands. (Rev 18:4) ”And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

In article 85 of The Large Catechism, the Lutherans speak more strongly against the Sabbath than does Rome, for they call the Sabbath observance the creation of ”disorder by unnecessary innovation.” ”But since from of old Sunday [the Lord's Day] has been appointed for this purpose, we also should continue the same, in order that everything be done in harmonious order, and no one create disorder by unnecessary innovation.” How anyone can consider the Sabbath an innovation and Sunday valid, after just reporting that the Sabbath was in force under the Old Testament and that Sunday is supposed to have been introduced after the New Testament, goes beyond the limits of reason acceptable to the sane human mind.

At the same time, the catechism, while neglecting the clear words of the commandment, adds its own burdens. The meaning of the Sabbath is not to rest from labor, but to listen to and obey the priest! The entire teaching under the Sabbath commandment in the Small Catechism is reduced to this: ”We should fear and love God that we may not despise preaching and His Word, but hold it sacred, and gladly hear and learn it.” So Sabbath-keeping, misplaced to Sunday, is to go to the Lutheran church, listen to the priest, and ”gladly hear and learn it.”

In question 103 of the Reformed Heidelberg Catechism, rather than admit the clear import of the Sabbath as a day of rest, they prefer to use it as a vehicle to express their opinions in regard to the subjection of women, by quoting under the question of the Sabbath, the following texts: ”1 Tim.2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 1 Tim.2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. 1 Tim.2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1 Tim.2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 1 Tim.2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.” How the Sabbath commandment, which lists subordinates male and female, but never the wife, commands the subjection of women, is difficult reasonably to imagine. Yet the Reformed churches can do so, while denying the very word of the commandment.

The national churches have fallen even further than Rome, in that they are attached to national armies as patrons. The Reformed or Presbyterian church has for several centuries elevated Sunday in place of the Sabbath even higher than has the Papacy, and in that aspect represents a deeper apostasy. All of them have been involved in persecution. Before the Reformation there were many low-profile Sabbath-keeping Christian groups in Europe. In the areas where Lutheranism gained ground the first action was to slaughter these groups. The Sabbatarians in Selicia, Sweden, Finland and Norway were killed to the last soul.

Three commandments suffice to show all of the official Christian establishment to be fallen. There are scores of thousands of faith-based denominations, and it is not possible even to mention all of them. Of those, Baptists and Methodists form the majority, and they fail on all three commandments with few exceptions of small non-violent or Sabbatarian groups. Among those, none adhere to all three test commandments, to say nothing of all ten.

The confusing mass of small denominations clamoring for attention can be reduced to the simple test of the three test commandments. None of them adhere to all three. Seventh-day Adventists accept the Trinity and thus break the first commandment. They also compromise on the commandment not to kill, sometimes allowing greater participation in the military than even their governments would impose on them. One of the most visible examples is that of the Adventist church in Germany both in World War I and II. The Jehovah's Witnesses fail on the Sabbath commandment, despite their commendable witness on the others. Mormons fail on all three, with their polytheistic system being one of the most startling things Christianity has ever produced.

The number of denominations that pass the three-commandment test is so miniscule, if any exist at all, that they can be evaluated by anyone in some depth and shown on the basis of the Bible to be apostate. Indeed, Babylon is fallen. With tears of love Jesus calls his own out of the confusion of denominations into obedience to him.

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real church
written by Ester MacMillan, March 07, 2010
the real church is our body..because our body is a temple of God.
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written by travis anderson, February 15, 2010
that is sorta cunfusing bit what had been established
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we are the real church
written by Henn, February 09, 2010
everyone of us is the living church, as long as we are in Christ and Christ is in us. and when we can prove that we worship in spirit and truth, we are right for God.
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The right church.
written by Matius Sulan Rea, February 07, 2010
The right church is our heart.Just believe the Lord In Jesus and let His Holy Spirit work on you.They are mystery on your eyes but real in the heart where the Holy spirit stay.Church is the heart which is controlled by Holy Spirit.
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Response to AGBOJO SUNDAY
written by galal doss, January 04, 2010
Hello Agbojo,
I assure you that if you spend time to take the eCourse, watch the videos we have on this subject several times, plus reading the many articles we have, then you will no longer be confused.
There is no short to diligent study of this truth. But you need to take your time, and seek divine aid, so that you can see this truth as pure light.
In His love and service,
WLC Team.
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WHAT IS THE TRUE SABBATH DAY OF THE LORD.
written by AGBOJO SUNDAY, January 04, 2010
GREETINGS TO YOU IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. I WILL APPRECIATE IF I CAN BE PROPERLY LECTURE ON THE TRUE SABBATH DAY OF THE LORD. I AM VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AS I NEED TO KNOW THE TRUE DAY OF THE SABBATH. PLEASE HELP ME OUT OF THIS DILLEMMA. AS I AM VERY MUCH CONFUSED ABOUT THE TRUE SABBATH DAY OF THE LORD.
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written by cedric leborgne, December 22, 2009
the real church
written by harold nkrumah, July 31, 2009

the ten commandments were put into 2 commandments in the new testament.
1.Relation to God
2.Relation to mankind
I advice the wlc team to research well and you see why Sunday worship is not a problem
Now is the time when true worshipers shall................Also find out which day the apostles meet to fellowship and give tithes
it is so true, thanks harold, God bless you.
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De Kardinals knew it , the Pope knew it to much later.
written by Berat Acar, December 11, 2009
Paus: pedofilie door
priesters een misdaad

ROME - In keiharde bewoordingen heeft paus Johannes Paulus II gisteren tijdens het begin van een tweedaags topberaad in het Vaticaan aan 12 Amerikaanse kardinalen duidelijk gemaakt dat het afgelopen moet zijn met pedofilieschandalen veroorzaakt door priesters in de VS. "Misbruik van kinderen is vanuit elk gezichtspunt fout en wordt terecht door de samenleving als een verschrikkelijke misdaad beschouwd", aldus de paus.

Paus Johannes Paulus II waarschuwt de door hem ontboden Amerikaanse kardinalen dat seksueel misbruik van kinderen door priester een zware zonde is in de ogen van God. De rooms-katholieke kerk in de VS is in opschudding over een aantal pedofiele priesters die de hand boven het hoofd is gehouden.
De kardinalen waren door de paus ontboden om een einde te maken aan het veelvuldige misbruik van kinderen, waaraan tientallen Amerikaanse priesters zich schuldig hebben gemaakt. Vooral kardinaal Bernard Law uit Boston moet het ontgelden. Hij is maar liefst 14 jaar lang op de hoogte geweest van pedofiele praktijken door priesters in zijn bisdom, maar heeft de daders slechts naar een andere parochie of bisdom overgeplaatst en ze niet aangegeven of hun priesterschap ontnomen.

Veel familieleden van jeugdige slachtoffers zijn processen begonnen tegen de Amerikaanse geestelijken. Steeds meer schandalen kwamen daardoor, evenals in verscheidene Europese landen, in de openbaarheid. Het is een grote klap voor het imago van de rooms-katholieke kerk. "De geloofwaardigheid van de bisschoppen is een grote zorg voor ons. We moeten deze twee dagen beslissen hoe we in de toekomst pedofiele priesters moeten aanpakken zonder weer in de fout te gaan", aldus de voorzitter van de Amerikaanse bisschoppenconferentie Wilton Gregory.

Als er nieuwe schandalen zouden komen, kan het ernstige financiële consequenties hebben voor het Vaticaan. De Amerikanen behoren, na de Duitsers, tot de grote financiers van de rooms-katholieke kerk. Maar terwijl de Duitse rooms-katholieken geld overmaken aan het Vaticaan via belasting, doen de Amerikanen het op vrijwillige basis. Veel royale donateurs onder de meer dan 63 miljoen Amerikaanse rooms-katholieken kunnen uit teleurstelling over de rooms-katholieke kerk de geldkraan dichtdraaien.

"Jegens de slachtoffers en hun gezinsleden, waar ze ook zijn, spreek ik mijn steun en mijn bezorgdheid uit", aldus de paus. Ook maakte de kerkvorst gisteren duidelijk dat een 'mea culpa' van de rooms-katholieke kerk niet voldoende is. "De mensen moeten weten dat er geen priesterschap en een religieus leven is voor mensen die pijn aan kinderen toebrengen", aldus de kerkvorst. "Het is een zware zonde in de ogen van God."

Vandaag wordt er verder worden gesproken over hoe het principe "Wie een fout maakt, ligt er uit", concreet moet worden vertaald. De Amerikaanse kardinalen verwachten dat er duidelijke richtlijnen komen voor het aanpakken van priesters die van seksueel misbruik worden beschuldigd. Tot nu toe bestond er onduidelijkheid door verwarring tussen canoniek en burgerlijk recht. Richtlijnen van paus Johannes Paulus II kunnen worden overgenomen door de Amerikaanse bisschoppenconferentie in juni in de stad Dallas.

De paus, die er niet over piekert het priestercelibaat af te schaffen, wilde uiteindelijk toch zijn hoop uitspreken over de toekomst van de rooms-katholieke kerk. "Ook een kunstwerk kan bevlekt worden terwijl haar schoonheid bewaard blijft. Dat is een waarheid die iedere intellectueel moet erkennen", aldus de kerkvorst.
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written by Fred Onwe, December 11, 2009
if there is anything like biblelism that is what i practice.. i.e i follow the instruction given in the bible...so many people are on the church side and not on the lord side.... we should all live everyone to his/her own believe because rite now the amount of denomination, teachings and believe is realy causing problems amoung christians.....i am looking forward to a day there will be only one true church for all to worship.
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written by Valdirene Ribeiro, October 29, 2009
I agree almost all
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This forum Is
written by zobcity1, October 11, 2009
precisely why I DO NOT listen to ANYONE on the TV or radio and 95% of these aberrant websites floating around out there nor the masses who dink around in churchinaity trying to be the “great ones” with DVD’s, Books etc etc etc. How much of that stuff did Yeshua do or the Prophets –Apostles of old, then also sell it?
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God's Word for Unity
written by Erna Le Yngson, September 24, 2009
Our God is not a God of confusion but of divine peace and order. Indeed our enemy finds fertile grounds on denominational doctrines - and yes,he's gaining victory in sowing divisions among us and that's pathetic because it's not what God wants us to be. To think that we all claim to be bible-readers and bible believing followers of Christ, it is sad to note that we easily fall upon the devil's trap of believing we are more righteous than others by our denominational interpretation of His word.I believe that when a child of God sincerely seeks for truth, God, in His encompassing wisdom grants him the discernment and the enlightenment to have peace with Him, as well as his brother.God's Word should unite us, not divide us.
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written by Gerson Corominas, September 21, 2009
I BELIEVE THAT WHAT OUR FRIEND DANILO HAS EXPRESSED IS CORRECT. GOD IS A MYSTERY. HE HIM SELF SAID "I AM THAT I AM".
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WLC POSISION ABOUT THE PERSON OF JESUS. WAS JESUS DIVINE?
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GOD IS A MYSTERY
written by Danilo Delcoro, September 18, 2009
Sorry, but I don't think the 'Trinity' test is right. Although I believe that the Bible does not specifically teach of such triune God, I can understand or 'tolerate' others who teach it. That's because there are also many valid reasons and verses for it. For me what is important is we believe in God, the Father of us all, and His only Son, Jesus Christ and of course of the Holy Spirit. Now how we explain them in detail I am sure nobody knows for sure! all are just guessing/interpretation/assumption/beliefs. The one sure thing is 'GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS'. That's why no one know for sure, that's because it's a MYSTERY. If somebody says he knows, sorry, I can say he's lying. For if we can understand God's nature in full detail, then it is not a mystery anymore. I suggest therefore that a better criteria for a church's teaching is if it does not proudly and confidently claim that their doctrine of the nature of God is true/perfect/complete and the correct one!
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sunday worship...
written by Antoine van der Wielen, September 06, 2009
I agree with wlc that sunday worship is not biblical, and there is someone who says that there are only 2 laws in the new testament, you also must read it carefully... it says that the two most important laws are indeed your relationship with God and the 2nd one is your relationship with your neighbour.. meaning all of mankind. And it does not say it are the two ONLY laws.. so the law of the 10 commandments still stands firm, it's the law of Moses that ended at the cross. When we take this in concideration, it's also the law to worship on saturday, not on sunday.
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the word does tell us
written by zobcity1, August 14, 2009
the Shabbat will be part of etrnity.
we do not have the descript exactly though.
Us believers need to be fully aware of the thing God felt strong enough to make specifically for us all to undestand about and have.
Please dont discount what he did for us.
Sungod-papal based day is like any of the other 6 days in where gathering on it is not a sin. We have been given a theocracy, not the filthy Constantine hiarchy ponzi pyramid commonly on sungod day.
Yet none the less are we anything less then his people still if worship in the Holy Spirit is done and not copying any of the papal mechanisms as God doesnt honour heresy or the copying of it either.
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the true church
written by margaret xxxx, August 11, 2009
Im a SDA, and we uphold all the 10 commandments of God in our church,
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the real church
written by harold nkrumah, July 31, 2009
the ten commandments were put into 2 commandments in the new testament.
1.Relation to God
2.Relation to mankind
I advice the wlc team to research well and you see why Sunday worship is not a problem
Now is the time when true worshipers shall................Also find out which day the apostles meet to fellowship and give tithes
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Church Government
written by Timothy Youngblood, June 29, 2009
Most religions and Christian Churches use what is called a hierarchical government structure and this type of government structure is rule from the top down. They appoint men as Deacons, Elders, Preaching elders, Ministers, Evangelist, and the one at the top usually refers to himself as the "Apostle" or the Leading Evangelist. In the Catholic Church we find them as Priests, Cardinals, Bishops, and of course the man at the top is the Pope. Although the names are different it is exactly the same thing, a hierarchical type government! The system in some cases is controlled by the Minister and in some Churches by a council called the "Council of Elders" or the "Council of the twelve" which they get from the twelve apostles. Churches also set up what can be termed as the "Churches Theology" which is in reality what that particular Church believes as is stated in their statement of beliefs which is either written by the Minister in charge or the Council.

Most Churches set out guide lines that must be followed such as what is most important to teach and how to teach it. Also they have to address the subject of preaching to those outside of the Church in order to bring them into the Church. Without this basic function the Church would not grow in the way they would like so one can understand its importance. Is it wrong to have ministers, elders and deacons in the Church? Well scripture is very clear on the fact that ministers, elders and deacons were appointed for different service, but the question is what guidelines should the Church use as their "Theology" and their statement of beliefs? How should the Church choose their teachers, elders, and those that have gifts from God to edify and help the Church grow? Jesus and the apostles left good examples and if you want to study this subject and come to a better understanding see.

http://www.masters-table.org/studies/church gov.htm

Regards
Timotheos


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Love is the Spirit
written by Suenell Burlingame, June 27, 2009
The trinity is indeed merely a word to describe God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit. The proof of the 3 is at the baptism of Jesus where the spirit lit as a dove upon Jesus with God from the heavens saying, this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. Thus at that moment all 3 were involved at one time.
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