Comments for THE ALPHA AND OMEGA OF DEADLY HERESIES at http://www.worldslastchance.com , comment 1 to 7 out of 7 comments http://www.worldslastchance.com Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:52:50 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/the-alpha-and-omega-of-deadly-heresies.html#comment-5124 To those who are sincerely after the truth about the teaching of Jesus. I write this as a lay man who feels fooled by the present established churches regarding the nature of God. Knowing well it is impossible for man being a physical form to know God(spirit) fully, at the same time being aware that humans are created in the image of God, I know(no indefinite feelings here) any theology propounded should be in conformity with the God given natural conscience and rationality. The present doctrinal base is the printed materials selected and approved by the catholic church giving support to one of the two streams of traditional groups one called the Apostolic(those who followed the disciples of Jesus) and the other Pauline(the people who followed Paul). There was a schism existing as the records goes, from the last apart of the first century between these two groups. Paul was accused of bringing Roman traditions into the teachings of Jesus. The Catholic church supported the Pauline group and suppressed the other. It is a very sensitive matter for any christian to question the writings of Paul. The question is what was the part played by the catholic church in including the writings of Paul in the new Testament. Do we have access to the original manuscripts? Are we not following those which were coded and approved by the catholic church? I understand some of the manuscripts are not opened to the public but are kept safe in the Papal library. We are treading dangerous grounds here, as Mrs. white said. What Jesus taught was a very rationally consistent nature of God since He was a Jew and had no conflict. He never questioned the Jewish theology, but the practical life of the Jews. So I want to ask the people who are dealing with the issue of "Trinity", have you studied the manuscripts written in the second century and the belief systems of the early followers of Christ, which were rejected by the then Catholic Church? Do you know why the North African Church did not accept the church of Rome in the 3rd century? Have you considered the existence of the issue of trinity before Arius? And Why? What was the part played by the church of Carthage in opposing the church of Rome? This is a serious matter demanding in depth study. You cannot solve this issue unless you go to the second century manuscripts as research student and not as a "christian". You should be ready to be shaken to the roots. - Yesudas Nathan Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:22:39 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/the-alpha-and-omega-of-deadly-heresies.html#comment-2388 I don't believe in trinity - Moller Maher Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:46:26 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/the-alpha-and-omega-of-deadly-heresies.html#comment-2385 Dear Rawle Pierre, We appreciate your comments and concerns. I think that we will both agree that to pick at words would be futile, so I would simply like to direct your attention to the following links that will that will give some insight as to how the SDA Church is forsaking the truths it was founded upon and is deliberately shrinking the breach between them and the papacy: http://worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/an-appeal-to-sdas.html http://worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/chronology-of-sda-apostasy.html You might be interested to see what this says: http://worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/getting-to-the-bottom-of-the-separation-issue.html God bless you. In His love and service, WLC Team - Natalie K Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:22:34 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/the-alpha-and-omega-of-deadly-heresies.html#comment-2345 Firstly, with regards to question 15 on separation from SDA churches, your first quote deals with apostasy continuing until the second coming. If apostasy is about leaving, then it is synonymous with separation and therefore it is Satan who is behind separation. Secondly, you deal with "among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches". But these cannot be referring to established sda churches since Ellen White would not refer to these with the vague term "religious bodies" which rather is a polite reference to the multitude of other religious denominations. I think that you have stretched the grammar here way too much. To conclude such would be to subscribe to the concept that Satan only wants to ensnare SDAs but he doesen't really 'have' the other sheep whom God will ultimately call, does he? Thirdly, I agree that our SDA leaders should not 'sell out' to any other religious bodies, but you have given no insight as to the nature of such 'negotiations' or the context of the presence of sda leaders at certain meetings. Certainly there should be openness to the church membership at large on the nature of these 'meetings' but indicating the worst without providing evidence other than 'present at the scene of the crime' is perhaps unfair. Fourthly, Jesus was very clear to His disciples that He would resurrect himself; obedient unto death, yes, but still holding the keys of life and death. God cannot die. Jesus became human so that He could die for us. He remained God so that He could live for us and offer salvation to us. For him to die as God and need to be resurrected by the Father would mean that He would have to be granted life and divinity by the Father. The Bible does not support this. Fifthly, the Holy SPirit does not have an 'image' for man to be made into, so that is a hard sell. Lastly, I have a burden for my local SDA church in Trinidad, West Indies, and its role. I think rather than utilizing resources on separating, which can be an infinitely unending sprial, we should try to utilise resources and system and procedures to make things right, rather than cut and run so we can do our own 'right thing'. There is tremendous counsel on making things right and it would be pointless to keep separating whenever things don't go right. Thanks for your time - love the videos so far. - rawle pierre Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:59:54 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/the-alpha-and-omega-of-deadly-heresies.html#comment-453 [b]QUESTION:[/b][b]WHAT DOCTRINE IS THE CURRENT SDA CHURCH TEACHES IN COMMON WITH ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH?[/b] [b]ANSWER:[/b] The Trinity doctrine. And this conclusively make them daughter of the mother church- [b]Babylon[/b]. Babylon is said to be "the mother of harlots." [u][b]By her daughters must be symbolized churches that cling to her doctrines and traditions, and follow her example of sacrificing the truth and the approval of God[/b][/u], in order to form an unlawful alliance with the world.' The Great Controversy 1911 ed, page 382. "The term ‘Babylon’ is derived from ‘Babel,’ and signifies confusion. It is employed in Scripture to designate the various forms of false or apostate religion." "The message of Revelation 14, announcing [u][b]the fall of Babylon must apply to religious bodies that were once pure and have become corrupt[/b][/u].” The Great Controversy, page 381, 383. [u][b]ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH[/b][/u] "[u][b]The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic faith[/b][/u]. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church." (Handbook for Today's Catholic, p. 11) [b][u]SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH[/u][/b] In the 1980 General Conference session at Dallas, Texas SDA church officially adopted the Trinity as a teaching of Adventism they stated: "[b][u]While no single Scripture passage states the doctrine of the Trinity[/u], it is assumed as a fact... [u]only by faith can we accept the existence of the Trinity[/u]."[/b] (Special Edition of the Review & Herald) [b]The Trinity:[/b] "There is one God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, [b]a unity of three co-eternal Persons.[/b] God is immortal, all powerful, all knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. He is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation." [b][i]Taken from current Baptismal certificate[/i][/b] "The origin of the human race is found in a divine council. God said, ‘Let Us make man’ (Gen. 1:26). The plural ‘Us’ refers to the trinitarian Godhead ... God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS BELIEVE - Page 80. [u][b]ELLEN WHITE DISAGREES:[/b][/u]"After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, [b][u]the Father and Son carried out their purpose[/u][/b], which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. [u][b]And now God said to His Son[/b][/u], "Let us make man in our image." (The Story of Redemption, page 20, 21) "Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter. [b]Thou art thy mother's [Rome's] daughter[/b], that loatheth her husband [Christ] and her children [God's professed people who preach the three angels' messages]; and [b]thou art the sister of thy sisters[/b] [apostate Protestantism]..." Ezekiel 16:44-45. "[u][b]There is no need to marvel that the church is not vivified by the Holy Spirit's power. Men and women are setting aside the instruction Christ has given[/b][/u]. Anger and covetousness are obtaining the victory. The soul-temple is full of wickedness. There is no room for Christ. Men follow their own perverse ways. They will not heed the words of the Saviour. They take themselves into their own hands, rejecting reproofs and warnings, until [u][b]the candlestick is moved out of its place[/b][/u], and spiritual discernment is confused by human ideas. Though deficient in service, [b][u]they justify themselves, saying, "The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord are we." They set the law of God aside to follow the light of their own imagination."[/u][/b] {RH, April 8, 1902 par. 10} My Guide said, "This work will be sowing seed for time and for eternity." And then the instruction was given, "The angels of the Lord will go before him. He will be accounted out of line. [u][b]But many ought to be out of the lines that have been maintained to be the regular routine, and unless they themselves come into line, they will say, 'The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord are we.'[/b][/u] Unless that temple is purified, cleansed, sanctified, [u][b]God will not give them His presence in the temple of which they boast."[/b][/u] . . . {3MR 264.2} [u][b]The message for this time is not, "The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord are we."[/b][/u] Whom does the Lord receive as vessels unto honor? Those who cooperate with Christ, those who believe the truth, who live the truth, who proclaim the truth in all its bearings. {SpM 321.6} In His love and service, WLC Team. - afolabi samuel Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:26:22 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/the-alpha-and-omega-of-deadly-heresies.html#comment-420 I agree with the article, which makes the point that the Omega of Apostacy is the [u]entering in to controversy regarding the presence and personality of God[/u]. By doing so, we are in effect "negotiating" with those who do not hold fast to the doctrine as held by historic (pioneer) Adventists, and thus we elevate error and heresy to an equal footing with truth. This (controversy) is the error that will lead us into deeper deception (trinity, immortality of the soul, security of the believer, ecumenism, and so on.... We must not try to be wise above that which is written. Only such as has been revealed to us in God's holy word (the Bible), and by the Spirit of Prophecy, is safe ground for us. The traditions of men, and the broad way, have been wicked snares for the faithful since the beginning of the church. Our Saviour warned us beforehand. The warning was repeated to us through the Spirit of Prophecy, if we will receive it. "Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one! Deu 6:4 Again,Jn 10:30 "I and My Father are one". This is not negotiable. Charles - Charles Cleveland Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:37:20 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/for-sdas-only/the-alpha-and-omega-of-deadly-heresies.html#comment-404 The Trinity is the deadly error. I believe it now more than ever. Christ the man died on the cross, but the Catholic church teaches that he rose himself out of the grave. BS. God the Father rose Jesus from the grave. - Real Michaud Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:05:58 +0100