Comments for Not the Trinity Nor 3 gods but One God at http://www.worldslastchance.com , comment 1 to 36 out of 20 comments http://www.worldslastchance.com Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:21:43 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-8559 John 14:20 - jayapandian jayapandian Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:50:27 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-8128 IN CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY,THIS SIMPLE,INNOCENT WORD "FATHER"HAS ACQUIRED A NOVEL MEANING,HE IS,ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANITY,THE ONE WHO BEGOT THE SON JESUS.THEY SAY IN THEIR CATECHISM"JESUS IS THE VERY GOD OF VERY GOD,BEGOTTEN OF FATHER,BEGOTTEN NOT MADE".IF WORDS HAVE ANY MEANING WHAT DOES THE MEAN?OF COURSE IT MEANS WHAT IS SAYS!GOD HAD MANY SONS ACCORDING TO HOLY BIBLE.ADAM,ISRAEL,EPHRAIM,DAVID,SOLOMON,etc...BUT ALL THESE ARE MATAPHORICAL SONS.GOD ALMIGHTY AS THE CREATOR AND CHERISHER IS METAPHORICALLY THE FATHER OF HIS EVERY CREATURE;EVERY ANIMAL OR HUMAN BEING BUT JESUS[PBUH],THE CHRISTIANS SAY,IS NOT LIKE THESE.HE WAS BEGOTTEN,NOT MADE!THIS ACCORDING TO ISLAM IS MOST ABOMINABLE UTTERANCE,ATTRIBUTING TO GOD AN ANIMAL NATURE-THE LOWER ANIMAL FUNCTION OF SEX! - Salimuddin Ansari Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:49:04 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-8053 THE STATEMENT ATTRIBUTED TO JESUS IN Mark13;32 SPEAKING OF THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT HE SAYS,"OF THAT DAY KNOWS NO MAM,NO, NOT THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN,NOT THE SON,BUT THE FATHER ONLY".ANYONE WHO BLIEVED IN THE DIVINITY OF JESUS THIS STATEMENT WOULD IMPLY THAT GOD HAD TWO NATURES. OR TWO DIFFERENT STATES OF AWARENESS SIMULTANOUSLY. IT WOULD PUT HIM IN THE RIDICULOUS POSITION OF KNOWING AND NOT KNOWING SOMETHING AT THE SAME TIME. IF JESUS WAS DIVINE AND GOD HAD THIS KNOWLEDGE THEN JESUS WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS STATEMENT, SINCE BY HAVING THIS NATURE HE TOO WOULD HAVE POSSESSED THAT KNOWLEDGE. - Salimuddin Ansari Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:39:59 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-8044 ALMOST FROM THE OUTSET, CHRISTIANITY HAS PROVED ITSELF UNFAITHFUL TO ITS FOUNDER. CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY HAS NO RELEVANCE OR RELATION TO THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST EVEN AS RECORDED IN THE PRESENT VERSIONS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. I COULD NOT BUT REGARD THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION AS HOPELESSLY CORRUPTED BY GREEK,ROMAN AND PERSIAN PAGANISM FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. THESE PAGAN INFLUENCES WERE NEVER REGARDED BY CHRISTIAN LEADERS AS EXTRANEOUS INNOVATION TO BE CONDEMNED,RESISTED AND COMBATED BUT WERE ALL INCORPORATED INTO THE RELIGION AS ESSENTIAL DOGMA AND PRACTICE. - Surender Roy Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:29:30 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-7305 MY FAMILY AND I, EVEN MY CHILDREN HAVE BEEN STUDYING ON IF THE TRINITY IS TRUE OR NOT, WE PULLED OUT THE LORDS WORD, DICTIONARY'S, BIBLE DICTIONARY'S, THESAURUS'S AND MANY OTHER BOOKS OF REFERENCE, WE PUT ALL THESE ON THE TABLE PRAYED BEFORE THE BOOKS WERE OPENED AND I TOLD MY CHILDREN THE SUBJECT, EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT THE TRINITY WAS AND EVEN AS MY CHILDREN SEARCHED, WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH WAS JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. I WAS HONEST WITH THEM AND TOLD THEM, THAT I COULD NOT BE SURE IF THE TRINITY WAS TRUE OR FALSE SO WE SEARCHED TOGETHER FOR TRUTH, BUT FIRST ASK GOD FOR UNDERSTANDING. THE ONE SCRIPTURE THAT COMES TO MIND THAT WE FOUND IS: Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. NOW IF JESUS IS GOD HE WOULD KNOW WHEN HE IS COMING BACK, BUT NO HE IS ONLY THE SON. I PRAY THAT I AM NOT WRONG FOR SEARCHING ON THIS SUBJECT, CAUSE THE LORD HAS SAVED ME FROM MUCH IN THIS LIFE HERE ON EARTH, AND I GIVE HIM ALL THE GLORY AND PRAISES. SO MY QUESTION IS IF JESUS IS SUPPOSE TO BE GOD WOULD HE KNOW WHEN HE WAS COMING BACK? - T TEKOAH Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:27:39 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5874 Salam for every one. The Scriptures of the Old Testament throughtout speak of but one Person, one Jehova, as God by Himself,.Also and creator of all things.With reference to John 5.7, it is therefore not credible that John,a pious Hebrew, should all at once introduce another creator, a new God,without any notice.It is not known whence he drew this strange doctrine,or by what authority he delivered it;especially when we cosider that by the law of Moses whose divine authority he acknowledged,it was the crime of idolatry and blasphemy to have, or to worship,any other God but Jehova. His lord and master,Jesus,made mention no other God but Jehova, and never took upon himself to speak anything of himself;but as Father, whose messenger he was ,gave him commandment what he should say what he should speak.[John 12.49] The writers of the Gospel history speak of one divine person,the Father,as the only true God.[John17.3] Mark,Matthew and Luke wrote without consulting each other.They have never thrown any hint of Jesus beeing God.It cannot be believed or imagined that these men, if they had known him to be God and creator of the world,would have kept silent on this important subject. John,who begins his Gospel by saying that the word was God and that Jesus was the word made flesh,does not ascribe this name to him once in the rest of the Gospel. An examination of Luke's gospel shows that he believed that Jesus had no existence before he was born of his mother,Mary,since, In3.23,38,aa lineal descent of Jesus is given. In4.24 and 8.33,Jesus is acknowledged to be a prophet of God. In 7.16 and 24.19,Jesus is called a prophet. In 3.13,26 and 4.27,30,Peter and some of the other opostles call Jesus the servant of God. In 17.24, 30, Luke describes him as the "son of man",appointed to an important office under God that made the world. Those who worshipped Jesus what their reaction would be if Jesus appeared to them and asked the following question; WHY did you address your devotion to me ?Did I ever direct you to do it, or propose myself as an object of religious worship? Did I not uniformly and to the last set you an example myself of praying to the Father, to my Father and your Father,to my God and your God? [john 20.17] When my disciples requested me to teach them to pray [Luke 11.1-2],did I teach them to pray to myself or to any other person but the Father? Did I ever call myself God, or tell you that I was the maker of the world and to be worshipped? Solomon,after building the temple said,"Will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee;how much less this house which I have built.[1 kings 8.27] - shahid pervez Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:44:39 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5867 If we consult Moses' account of creation, we shall find that he makes no mention of more than one God, who made the heaven and the earth, who supplied the earth with plants and animals, and who also formed man. The plural number,indeed, is made use of when God is represented as saying ,Genesis 1.26, "Let us make man",but that this is mere phraesology is evident from its being said emmediately after, in the singuler number, Genesis 5.27,"God created man in His own image",so that the creator was still One Being - Salimuddin Ansari Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:22:49 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5866 We say "the prince and the king",because the prince is not a king.If had been, we should have had recourse to some other distiction,as that of "great and less" senior and junior, father and son",etc.When therefore the apostle Paul said, that the Church at Corinth was Christ's,and that Crist was God's,and that manner of distinguishing them is recurrentb in the New Testament, it is evident that he could have no idia of Christ being God, in any meaningful sense of word. - Salimuddin Ansari Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:05:53 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5425 [b]WE CAN NOT UNDERSTAND TRINITY.[/b] [i]I Cor. 2:6 2:6 We speak wisdom, however, among them that are fullgrown: yet a wisdom not of this world, nor of the rulers of this world, who are coming to nought:[/i] [b] BUT WE CAN NOT DENY because the THEY ARE ON THE BIBLE.[/b] [b]I John 5:7-8[/b] [i] 5:7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 5:8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.[/i] Others: [b]Matthew 28:19 Isaiah 6:all John 12:37-43 Acts 28:25-28[/b] Those last three ones Isiah describe God Father (Isaiah 6:all) then God Son (John 12:37-43) and then the Holy Ghost as God (Acts 28:25-28) on the same vision. [b]OSEAH 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge [/b] - Andre Andrade Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:33:30 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5202 Thank you for your words my brother. I belong to a home study group, and we have enjoyed studing this subject for a few weeks now.It's part of our series of The Ten Commandments study.We want to make sure that we are loving & worshipping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel(Jacob)in truth and not error. We would appreciate your prayers for our ministry, Te Karere o te Rongopai, which is Maori for The Good News. Does "not eternally generated" mean basically that, the Son does not come before the Father? The Son is beggotten of The Father. Praise the Lord,I think the Lord has just helped me with the answer. What are your thoughts? In His Love Turuwhenua - Turuwhenua Timutimu Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:29:30 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5175 Could you please help me to better understand what you mean in your summerised statement from the The only be-gotten son section," Even the very Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, is shared by His Son. Christ naturally inherited the name of His Father God.Christ was not, however, co-existent with His Father, being the Son. " Especially the latter part, Christ not being co-existant with His Father, being the Son. How does this relate with John 1:1? In His love TUruwhenua - Turuwhenua Timutimu Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:36:57 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5132 Hi ROBERT RIFINO I believe Jesus is the literal son of God. Trinity denies the sonship of Christ as well as his complete death on cross. Antichrist is who denies son and the father. - David S G Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:20:23 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5122 David G., [url]http://www.gotquestions.org/God-have-son.html[/url] - Robert Rifino Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:17:28 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5116 Hi All Those who argue saying Jesus is God himself why don't you give answers for the verses prove that Jesus is the Son of God. - David S G Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:54:59 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-5104 Notice this: Genesis 1:26 says [i]And God said, Let [b]us[/b] make man in [b]our[/b] image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.[/i] What does that mean? Simple! The 3 forms were present in the beginning before the creation. Now who gave the Ten Commandments? Jehovah, isn't it? Exodus 20:6 says [i]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them [b]that love me,and keep my commandments[/b].[/i] Now Jesus said in John 14:15 [i]If [b]ye love me, keep my commandments[/b].[/i] No doubt, it proves Jesus is God. - anonymous Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:04:32 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-4990 http://www.worldslastchance.co...e-god.html You guys are wrong. JESUS is GOD, our SAVIOR! Do you know what God said concerning the Savior? Isaiah 43:3For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. IF GOD SAY THAT HE IS THE SAVIOR, AND JESUS IS THE SAVIOR, THAT MEANS JESUS IS GOD! READ THE BIBLE! - Robert Rifino Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:34:53 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-4938 John 1 1[b]In the beginning was the Word[/b], and [b]the Word was with God[/b], and [b]the Word was God[/b]. [b] 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [/b] 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. [b] 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [/b] 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14[b]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,[/b] (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. So, the scriptures says [b]Jesus is God either.[/b] - Andre Andrade Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:20:10 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-4820 John 14:28. Jesus was less than the Father because it assumed human form. Before the "Word was making meat," and after the resurrection, Jesus is equal to the Father Jesus took upon himself human nature. But Jesus was glorified again after his resurrection: "But he said this about the Spirit that had to get the inside Cress, because the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified." John 7:39 [b]"Now, therefore, glorify thou me, Father, with yourself, with that glory I had with you before the world existed."[/b] John 17:5 "And, closer to Jesus, spoke to them, saying, [b]I was given all authority in heaven and on earth[/b]." Matthew 28:18 Jesus Christ took on the position of "servant" (Philippians 2:6 and 7). Has also become "less" that the angels, without becoming less than they (Hebrews 2:9). Thus, his humanity, like ours, was limited, but on the other hand, he was still 100% God, or unlimited. [b]Paul himself says in Romans 9:5 that Jesus is God Blessed[/b] [b] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6[/b] [u][b]So if you, students of WLC says that Jesus is not God. This is rather a heresy.[/b][/u] - Andre Andrade Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:55:37 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-4801 I believe ib God ,Father ,Son and Holy Spirit are One... Thanks to read and study the Bible more.... Poe Zar - poe zar Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:56:03 +0100 http://www.worldslastchance.com/introduction-godhead/not-the-trinity-nor-3-gods-but-one-god.html#comment-4601 The word Trinity is not even mentioned in the Bible. Rather than describing the Holy Spirit as a distinct person or entity, the Bible most often refers to it as God's divine power(Zechariah 4:6; Micah 3:8). Jewish scholars, examining the references to it in the Old Testament Scriptures, have never defined the Holy Spirit as anything but the power of God. In the New Testament, Paul referred to it as the spirit of power, love and sound mind. (2 Timothy 1:7). The Holy Spirit is spoken of in many ways that demonstrate that it is not a divine person. For example, it is referred to as a gift(Acts 10:45; Timothy 4:14) We are told that the Holy Spirit can be quenched. (1 Thessalonians 5:19), that it can be poured out)Acts 2:17,33), and that we are baptized with it(Mathew 3:11). In contrast to God the Father and Jesus Christ, who are consistently compared to human beings in Their form and shape, the Holy Spirit is consistently represented, by various symbols and manifestations, in a completely different manner-such as wind(Acts 2:2), fire (verse 3), water ((John 4:14), oil (Psalm 45:7) etc. Clearly, the Holy Spirit, from the evidence found in the Bible, is not a person in a supposed Trinity. Regrettably, the unbiblical doctrine of the Trinity obscures the scriptural teaching that God is a family (ELOHIM)-as we will see, is our ultimate destiny. - Adrian Jumawan Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:01:05 +0100