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1 There is one loving God, a personal, spiritual being, the creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit. Psalms 139:7 . 2 That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, the one by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist; that He took on Him the nature of the seed of Abraham for the redemption of our fallen race; that He dwelt among men, full of grace and truth, lived our example, died our sacrifice, and was raised for our justification. He ascended on high to be our only mediator in the sanctuary in Heaven where, with His own blood, He makes atonement for our sins; which atonement so far from being made on the cross, which was by the offering of the sacrifice, is the very last portion of His work as a priest, according to the example of the Levitical priesthood, which foreshadowed and prefigured the ministry of our Lord in Heaven. Leviticus 16; Hebrews 8:4, 5; 9:6, 7 etc. 3 That the Holy Scriptures, of the Old and New Testaments, were given by inspiration of God, contain a full revelation of His will to man, and are the only infallible rule of faith and practice. 4 That Baptism is an ordinance of the Christian church, to follow faith and repentance, an ordinance by which we commemorate the resurrection of Christ, As by this act we show our faith in His burial and resurrection, and through that, of the resurrection of all the saints at the last day; and that no other mode fitly represents these facts than that which the Scriptures prescribe, namely, immersion. Romans 6:3-6; Colossians 2:12 . 5 That the new birth comprises the entire change necessary to fit us for the kingdom of God, and consists of two parts: first, a moral change wrought by conversion and a Christian life; second, a physical change at the second coming of Christ, whereby, if dead, we are raised incorruptible, and if living, are changed to immortality in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. John 3:3, 5; 1 Corinthians 15:52; Luke 20:36 . 6 We believe that prophecy is a part of God's revelation to man; that it is included in the scripture which is profitable for instruction, 2 Timothy 3:16 ; that it is designed for us and our children, Deuteronomy 29:29 ; that so far from being enshrouded in impenetrable mystery, it is that which especially constitutes the word of God a lamp to our feet and light to our path, Psalms 119:105; 2 Peter 1:19 ; that a blessing is pronounced upon those who study it, Revelation 1:3 ; and that, consequently, it is to be understood by the people of God sufficiently to show them their position in the world's history, and the special duties required at their hands. 7 That the world's history from specified dates in the past, the rise and fall of empires, and chronological succession of events down to the setting up of God's everlasting kingdom, are outlined in numerous great chains of prophecy; and that these prophecies are now fulfilled except for the closing scenes. 8 That the doctrine of the world's conversion and temporal millennium is a fable of these last days, calculated to lull men into a state of carnal security, and cause them to be overtaken by the great day of the Lord as by a thief in the night; that the second coming of Christ is to precede, not follow, the millennium; for until the Lord appears the papal power, with all its abominations, is to continue, the wheat and tares grow together, and evil men and seducers wax worse and worse, as the word of God declares. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-11; 2 Timothy 3:13 9 That the mistake of Adventists in 1844 pertained to the nature of the event then to transpire, not to the time; that no prophetic period is given to reach to the second advent, but the longest one the two thousand and three hundred days of Daniel 8:14 , terminated in that year, and brought us to an event called the cleansing of the sanctuary. 10 That the sanctuary of the new covenant is the tabernacle of God in Heaven, of which Paul speaks in Hebrews 8, and onward, of which our Lord, as great High Priest, is a minister, that this sanctuary is the antitype of the Mosaic tabernacle, and that the priestly work of our Lord, connected therewith, is the antitype of the work of the Jewish priests of the former dispensation. Hebrews 8:1-5 ; etc. That this is the sanctuary to be cleansed at the end of the 2300 days, what is termed its cleansing being in this case, as in the type, simply the entrance of the high priest into the most holy place, to finish the round of service connected therewith, by blotting out and removing from the sanctuary the sins which had been transferred to it by means of the ministration in the first apartment, Hebrews 9:22, 23 ; and that this work, in the antitype, commencing in 1844, occupies a brief but definite space, at the conclusion of which the work of mercy for the world is finished. 11 That God's moral requirements are the same upon all men in all dispensations; that these are summarily contained in the commandments spoken by Jehovah from Sinai, engraven on the tables of stone, and deposited in the ark, which was in consequence called the "ark of the covenant", or testament. Numbers 10:33; Hebrews 9:4 , etc.: that this law is immutable and perpetual, being a transcript of the tables deposited in the ark of the true sanctuary on high, which is also, for the same reason, called the ark of God's testament; for under the sounding of the seventh trumpet we are told that "the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament." Revelation 11:19 . 12 That the fourth commandment of this law requires that we devote the seventh day of each week, commonly called Saturday, to the abstinence from our own labor, and to the performance of sacred and religious duties; that this is the only weekly Sabbath known to the Bible being the day that was set apart before paradise was lost, Genesis 2:2, 3 ; and which will be observed in paradise restored, Isaiah 66:22, 23 . That the facts upon which the Sabbath institution is based confine it to the seventh day, as they are not true of any other day; and that the terms, Jewish Sabbath and Christian Sabbaths applied to the weekly rest-day, are names of human invention, unscriptural in fact, and false in meaning. 13 That as the man of sin, the papacy, has thought to change times and laws (the laws of God), Daniel 7:25 , and has mislead almost all Christendom in regard to the fourth commandment; we find a prophecy of a reform in this respect to be wrought among believers just before the coming of Christ. Isaiah 56:1, 2; 1 Peter 1:5; Revelation 14:12 ; etc. 14 That as the natural or carnal heart is at enmity with God and His law, this enmity can be subdued only by a radical transformation of the affections, the exchange of unholy for holy principles; that this transformation follows repentance and faith, is the special work of the Holy Spirit, and constitutes regeneration or conversion. 15 That as all have violated the law of God, and cannot themselves render obedience to His just requirements, we are dependent on Christ, first, for justification from our past offences, and secondly, for grace whereby to render acceptable obedience to His holy law in time to come. John 15:5, Titus 3:5 . 16 That the Spirit of God was promised to manifest itself in the church through certain gifts, enumerated especially in 1 Corinthians 12 and Ephesians 4 ; that these gifts are not designed to supersede, or take the place of the Bible, which is sufficient to make us wise unto salvation, any more than the Bible can take the place of the Holy Spirit. That in specifying the various channels of its operation, that Spirit has simply made provision for its own existence and presence with the people of God to the end of time, to lead to an understanding of the word which it had inspired, to convince of sin, and work a transformation in the heart and life; and that those who deny to the Spirit its place and operation, do plainly deny that part of the Bible which assigns to it this work and position. 17 That God, in accordance with his uniform dealings with the race, sent forth a proclamation of the approach of the second advent of Christ; that this work is symbolized by the three messages of Revelation 14 , the last one bringing to view the work of reform on the law of God, that His people may acquire a complete readiness for that event. 18 That the time of cleansing of the sanctuary (see proposition 10), synchronizing with the time of the proclamation of the third message, is a time of the investigative judgment, first with the time of proclamation of the third message, is a time of the investigative judgment, first with reference to the dead, and at the close of the probation with reference to the living; to determine who of the myriads now sleeping in the dust of the earth are worthy of a part in the first resurrection, and who of its living multitudes are worthy of translation- points which must be determined before the Lord appears. 19 That the grave, whither we all tend, expressed by the Hebrew sheol, and the Greek hades, is a place of darkness in which there is not work, device, wisdom, or knowledge. Ecclesiastes 9:10 . 20 That the state to which we are reduced by death is one of silence, inactivity, and entire unconsciousness. Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Daniel 12:2 ; etc. 21 That out of this prison house of the grave of mankind are to be brought by a bodily resurrection; the righteous having part in the first resurrection, which takes place at the second advent of Christ, the wicked in the second resurrection, which takes place a thousand years thereafter. Revelation 20:4-6 . 22 That at the last trump, the living righteous are to be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, and with the resurrected righteous are to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, so forever to be with God. 1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17 . 23 That these immortalized ones are then taken to Heaven to the New Jerusalem, the Father's house in which there are many mansions, John 14:1-3 ; where they reign with Christ a thousand years, judging the world and fallen angels, that is, apportioning the punishment to be executed upon them at the close of the one thousand years; Revelation 20:4; 1 Corinthians 6:2, 3 . That during this time the earth lies in a desolate and chaotic condition, Jeremiah 4:20-27 ; described, as in the beginning by the Greek term abusso, bottomless pit (Septuagint of Genesis1:2 ); and that here Satan is confined during the thousand years, Revelation 20:1, 2 ; here finally destroyed, Revelation 20:10; Malachi 4:1 , theatre of the ruin he has wrought in the universe, being appropriately made for a time his gloomy prison house, and then the place of his final execution. 24 That the end of the thousand years, the Lord descends with His people and the new Jerusalem, Revelation 21:2 ; the wicked dead are raised and come up upon the surface of the yet unrenewed earth, and gather about the city, the camp of the saints, Revelation 20:9 ; and fire comes down from God out of heaven and devours them. They are then consumed root and branch, Malachi 4:1 ; becoming as though they had not been. Obadiah 15, 16 . In this everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, 2 Thessalonians 1:9 ; the wicked meet the everlasting punishment threatened against them, Matthew 25:46 . This is the perdition of ungodly men, the fire which consumes them being the fire for which "the heavens and earth which are now", are kept in store, which shall melt even the elements with its intensity, and purge the earth from the deepest stains of the curse of sin. 2 Peter 3:7-12. 25 That a new heavens and earth shall spring by the power of God from the ashes of the old, to be, with the New Jerusalem for its metropolis and capital, the eternal inheritance of the saints, the place where the righteous shall evermore dwell. 2 Peters 3:13; Psalms 37:11, 29; Matthew 5:5.
Today, there is not a single church or denomination which adheres to the above Bible-based statement of beliefs in its entirety. At one time, in the second half of the nineteen century and early twentieth century, the Seventh-day Adventist Church believed and upheld all of the above beliefs. Sadly this is no longer the case.They have done away with beliefs 1 and 2, and replaced them with the Roman Catholic Trinity doctrine. In addition they have watered down many of the other beliefs, to make the teachings of the church more acceptable and appealing to Christians of other denominations. The fact that no church today adheres to the Bible and the Bible alone in the teachings they espouse has been foretold in Bible prophecy: "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach."Isaiah 4:1. This prophecy tells us that at the end of time "seven" (7 symbolically indicates "all", "totality","complete" e.g. 7 days of creation, 7 last plagues, 7 years of famine, etc.) or ALL, 'women' (or churches and churches are often symbolized as women in the Bible Rev.12:1 vs. Rev. 17:3) 'shall take hold of one man' (they will claim to have a relationship with Jesus and which ALL the churches profess today) 'saying, We will eat our own bread' (They reject the true Bread of life-Jesus and His teachings, see John 6:51, and prefer rather to "eat" their own false doctrines and traditions (see Isaiah 8:20), 'and wear our own apparel' (they also reject the pure, white robe of Christ's righteousness and prefer their own system of works and self-righteousness - see Isaiah 61:10; Rev. 3:4, 5, 18) but here is the real interesting point, they all say: 'only let us be called by Thy name' (they desperately, despite their rebellion, want to be recognized as part of Christ's church, why?) 'to takeaway our reproach'. They don't want their shame and disgrace to be seen due to the fact that they are teaching falsehood and are not part of Christ's church, but in reality are one of the shameful, harlot daughters of Babylon! Accordingly, those of us who want to "follow the Lamb whither soever he goeth" (Revelation 14:4), and adhere to the Bible and the Bible alone as the infallible rule of faith, have no choice but to worship Him in truth and spirit in the privacy of our homes, away from the fallen and apostate churches, which collectively form the synagogue of Satan. In the Book of Revelation God calls and labels such entities as "Babylon"; they serve as centers of confusion and deception. Our most loving heavenly Father, God, further commands His people to come out of such entities, before He pours His plagues on Babylon, 'for her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.' Revelation 18:1-5. Hits: 41128 Comments (133)
  written by endtime elijah, November 14, 2009
Beloved Shin,
I gave an 'overview' because it is very difficult to fully understand such a vastly important subject when walking among the individual trees (texts) in a big forest (the whole Bible). We must always consider 'line upon line' 'precept upon precept' without bias before coming to a conclusion. By picking out a few of the very many texts, we will end up with poor decisions. u post- written by Sae Hattori, October 28, 2009 I guess everybody has different beliefs. ----- The Bible clearly states that there is eternal life and eternal punishment. ---- If there was no hell, if there was no punishment for sin, then why did Jesus come? From what did he want to save us from, if it was not from sin and the punishment that went with it? elijah reply- 'there is no hell''no punishment' are false. Hell is temporary - after it has served its purpose it is eventually destroyed in the lake of fire (Rev.20:14) If ETERNAL punishing/torment in hell is the penalty - THEN CHRIST DID NOT FULLY PAY IT!! otherwise - He would still have to be in hell - and stay there FOREVER on our behalf!! HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT? Please note also - in your next post you left out Isaiah 66:22 - there are NEW Heavens and the new Earth -- BUT NO NEW HELL!!!!! u post- written by Shin Hattori, November 12, 2009 But the Bible clearly states, that hellfire is an everlasting punishment for sinners. "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. elijah reply- If the wicked were still alive - they would have to be included in 'ALL' flesh!! The next verse says they are CARCASSES = DEAD BODIES. u post- And they shall go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." Isaiah 66:23,24 elijah reply- Have you considered that this is a temporary interim condition - the worms 'shall not die' (as long as they feed upon the dead carcasses - worms (maggots) become flies) 'neither shall their fire be quenched' - some are being eaten by maggots, while others are burning - the fire does not go out while there is material to burn! 'they shall be abhorring unto all flesh' - the LIVING righteous people who behold them - until the carcasses are fully consumed -- THEN -- Malachi finishes the story - 'And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts'(Mal.4:3) SIN IS LIKE NUCLEAR WASTE !!! All the prophets must be allowed to come together to paint the full story from beginning, thru the middle, to the FINAL end - when Satan, the fallen angels, sin, all unrepentant sinners and the old Heavens and Earth mutilated/desecrated/contaminated by and with sin, death, HELL are FINALLY destroyed in the lake of fire - no memory,no evidence, no chance of resurfacing -- never again - for EVER!!! OLD THING ARE PASSED AWAY - ALL THINGS ARE BECOME (MADE) NEW!!!! Shalom
written by endtime elijah, November 14, 2009
Thanks beloved Shin,
u post- God is Just written by Shin Hattori, November 12, 2009 reply- i am your fellow believer and seeker of TRUTH - as revealed in scripture. This is only a limited overview. Let us start with the 'logical' conclusion -- AN IMMORTAL SOUL (coupled with an immortal body), are required to consciously survive torment / burning for eternity. 'The wages of sin is DEATH, but the gift of God is eternal LIFE thru Christ'. To have the wicked LIVING eternally in torment, is to admit that Creator also gave the wicked HIS GIFT of eternal LIFE!! Eternal Life is a final condition. Death is a final condition. They CANNOT coexist. I must confess that for most of my life, i too believed in an eternal hell with 'everlasting' punishment/torment/burning for the unrepentant wicked. There are many arguments for that position - all of which might, on the surface, seem to carry weight based on scripture which i am assuming you is familiar with? The arguments must be based not on our finite human understanding/concept of how the mind of Creator works, because His thoughts are higher than ours. We cannot therefore use the humane presumption that He would not be JUST in administering 'everlasting punishing' for 'brief' sinful acts committed during the 'microscopic' lifespan of any man. Any conclusion must be based solely upon His revealed WORD - which seems to point to varying degrees of punishments appropriate to the 'crime' / sin. This appears to be a temporary state of conscious acknowledgment - weeping, gnashing of teeth, beaten with many/few stripes etc. -- during which the participants will be shown what they have missed and will suffer in varying degrees based on their own personal/individual degrees of uninhibited guilt. Upon closer study of the texts concerning the FINAL state, i have come to see that the overwhelming evidence of scripture points to the FINAL JUDGMENT resulting in total annihilation/destruction in which the human being is returned to the same state of non existence (ashes/dust) before creation. Death must be the opposite of Life. Man 'became' a 'living' being (soul - just like all the other created animals) when Creator breathed into the clay model, His breath of life, which is what is removed when death occurs. In other words, 'man' which is the living 'being' or the soul' is UNCREATED by death. Creator only has / retains the power to resurrect from the dead. He ALONE has IMMORTALITY - which He promises to give / impart to the righteous (only) at His second coming. (With a few preceding exceptions as pointed out in scripture). THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE TEXT WHICH SAYS THE SOUL IS ORIGINALLY IMMORTAL. The arguments for eternal/ongoing torment / punishment can only really find feasibility in the premise of man being originally created AS OR WITH AN IMMORTAL SOUL (coupled with an immortal body), which are required to consciously survive torment / burning for eternity. This is in complete opposition to 'the soul that sinneth, it shall die'. Here of course the argument is backed with 'death' being identified as 'separation from God' - which in a sense is true - that is what happened to Adam and Eve - they did not drop 'dead' instantly - only because of Creator's contingency plan of GRACE. However, it is nowhere stated in scripture that the SOUL is originally IMMORTAL. This idea crept into the Church thru Greek philosophy, but was originally planted by the enemy in Eden when he said 'thou shalt NOT surely die' in direct opposition to what Eternal Creator said originally and followed later with - 'The wages of sin is DEATH, but the gift of God is eternal LIFE thru Christ'. The descriptive statements in texts quoted in the WLC articles describing the final condition cannot be misunderstood - 'burnt up' 'without root or branch' 'destroyed' 'ashes under your feet'(Mal.4:3) 'as though they had not been' etc, etc. also consider Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. This text makes a distinction between 'hell' and the 'lake of fire'. This must certainly be the destruction/end of death and 'HELL' which will be no more. 'Former things are past away, all things are become new'. There will be no need for death and hell in the New Creation! Sin will have no opportunity to ever again raise its ugly head. Creator must be justified in all that He does, He leaves Himself open to criticism by all. If He 'wipes away all tears from their eyes' how will the righteous not consider the continuing torment of their lost loved ones ---- forever, unless they are made into puppets without memory or awareness? Heaven cannot be a truly happy place, as long as hell exists! Q. Whom will you believe ? The Creator - 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die' or the created 'satan' 'You shall not surely die'. Shalom
 written by Shin Hattori, November 12, 2009
God is just. That's why he can't leave the sin unpunished. Many say, he is just. And will not tolerate sinners being burned in hell forever. But the Bible clearly states, that hellfire is an everlasting punishment for sinners.
"And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. And they shall go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." Isaiah 66:23,24 If sinners are going to be destroyed by fire in an instant, then why do we have to be afraid of it? It's going to end in no time. But hell is dreadful, because it is forever. How can heaven be forever, and hell only for a moment?
 written by Edgar Araiza, November 09, 2009
Ive seen many churches selebrating the 25th of December.But do they really know where that celebration comes from?? Also Ive seen pagan practices going inside churches and they all have a good axcuse for doing it. Not because u can reason an error makes it the truth. Im disapointed even in my church the SDA. People dont say anything to new permanent visitors or new members for some practices they still do that was passed through their churches. Im an SDA member and I believe we are chosen spiritually i love my church brothers but I think that this pagan practices should stop! Test everything acording to scripture and look at history and see the practices in your church so u can see where they were originated from. An advise for all of u is dont let any pagan practices reach your church and when they do just dont practice them! Everyone is saved individually and not by church membership. Remember that even in in the old testament times peganism entered in israel. Be carefull what u practice and what u do. Gods people is suppose to be different and not worldy!!!!
written by Edgar Araiza, October 29, 2009
read this passage rev.21:1-8. Rev21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away.... so by having a hell somewhere means that the former have not ended, because they are still burning. Rev. 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. If there was a hell I think God would be lying because he promised no more pain and any kind of earthly troubles. How could he say this while people are burning, how could this be new heavens, people burning some where and people happy in the heavens what kind of God would that be read Rev 21:5. Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. In the past, death has often been defined with a few confident words. For example, the first edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica informed its readership that "DEATH is generally considered as the separation of the soul and body; in which sense it stands opposed to life, which consists in the union thereof" (1768, v. 2, p. 309).
There are many believes but only one is correct you deside which way to take no one can force u to believe anything that u dont want to believe. Make sure you look upon the bible as your source. But even if you dont understand something what ever you acknoledge to be the truth make sure u follow it, ask for Gods council.
 written by Sae Hattori, October 28, 2009
I guess everybody has different beliefs. I believe that there is hell, as well as heaven. No use believing only about heaven. The Bible clearly states that there is eternal life and eternal punishment. In Matthew 25, there is a parable about the sheep and the goats. Jesus said that the nations will be gathered and separated, sheep on his right hand, and the goats on his left. And the King will congratulate the sheep, but curse the goats. And this is what he will say to the goats. "Depart from me, you who are cursed into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." Where will God send the devil and his angels? To hell, of course. In verse 46, it is written that the goats will go away to eternal punishment, while the righteous go to eternal life.
Some people tend to look at only beautiful things, but sometimes it is needful to know things that are not very easy to hear. If there was no hell, if there was no punishment for sin, then why did Jesus come? From what did he want to save us from, if it was not from sin and the punishment that went with it? After mortal death, judgment, and if your name is not in the book of life, then second death. That is what I believe will happen to the sinners who do not repent. But those who believe in Jesus, after judgment will go to heaven. Is that not so?
written by Edgar Araiza, October 27, 2009
ofcourse I dont believe in hell. I believe u will be punished acording to what u did. This world is hell for me friend. Why?? because the world is unjust. But the dream and hope of living in a better world is always on our heads wether your evil or good. Man was not designed to die! Thats why everyone is scared of death. Pleople that die in the eternal death will no longer exist after words. The resurrected will be given new bodies! Notice I said bodies. We will not be flying spirits we will have bodies like Adam and Eve had before sin and like jesus when he resurrected. We will eat and rest on the Seventh day in heaven. There will be no need to do pee pee or poo poo!LOL We will also see those worlds that were never fallen and travel to different gallaxies! Man I cant wait!!!!! Remain faith full were closer to Jesus second coming then we imagine.
written by Sae Hattori, October 27, 2009
Of course, our God is a loving and gracious God, and the God of justice. But I do add one more thing.
He hates sin. He really does. If we deliberately sin against him, and he does not punish us for it, then it means he is not just. Of course, God hates sin, but he loves us sinners. That's why he sent Jesus. God loves us, so he tries to show us our sins, that we may repent. Is it not so? 'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear, and grace my fears relieved--- as in Amazing Grace. Hallelujah! Jesus said not to judge, and Paul also wrote not to judge before time. So I won't. Thank you.
written by Sae Hattori, October 27, 2009
Thank you for the Answer.
I see. Of course the body that we now see will be destroyed. Whether you believe in Jesus or not, all die. Maybe, as you say, the sinner will be burned up like what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah. Yet, a man has spirit, and the spirit does not die even though the body is burned up. Of course, as you said, a man's destiny will be made known at the judgment. And I do believe so, too. I just wanted to make sure whether you believed heaven and hell to exist, because I didn't find anything concerning hell on your beliefs. Thank you.
written by Edgar Araiza, October 27, 2009
-the Bible clearly states that the wicked will be cast into the fire in the day of judgment at the end of the world--not when they die. This obviously means that no one is in hell now. It is only fair that no one should be punished until his case has been decided in the judgment. People are rewarded or punished at the second coming, and not before (Revelation 22:12).
-Unquenchable fire cannot be put out. However, when it has burned everything up, it goes out. For example, Jeremiah 17:27 warns that if God's people were not faithful, He would kindle a fire in Jerusalem that "shall not be quenched." And the Scriptures declare that this prophecy has already been fulfilled. "They burnt the house of God, and brake down the wall of Jerusalem, and burnt all the palaces thereof with fire. ... To fulfil the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah." 2 Chronicles 36:19, 21. That fire could not be put out until it had consumed everything; then it went out. It is not burning today, even though the Bible calls it "unquenchable." -We must let the Bible explain itself. We can see in this verse that Sodom and Gomorrha were destroyed with everlasting fire as an example of hell, but those cities are not still burning. They were turned into ashes (2 Peter 2:6), which is what eternal fire does. It is eternal in its consequences. (See supplement entitled "The Rich Man and Lazarus.") -Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights (Jonah 1:17), yet he said "for ever." I'm sure that it felt like forever! The Greek word translated "for ever" in Revelation 20:10 is "aion," from which we get our word "eon." It often represents an unspecified period of time, limited or unlimited. The words "for ever" are used 56 times in the Bible referring to something already ended. In one instance, "for ever" describes the life of a faithful slave (Exodus 21:6), and in another place "for ever" means 10 generations (Deuteronomy 23:3). With man, "for ever" often means "as long as he liveth" (1 Samuel 1:22, 28). If your son became a hardened murderer, would you feel that he should be punished? You probably would. But would you want him to burn alive in a fire, in terrible agony, for even one day? Of course not. You could not stand that. Neither could the loving Lord stand to see His children so tortured. That would be worse than the very worst of all war atrocities. Is God like that? No indeed! An eternal hell of torment would be unbearable for God and diametrically against His character of love and justice. I hope this answere your questions brother. God bless u.
written by Sae Hattori, October 24, 2009
If I read my Bible right, I read that those whose names are not written in the Book of Life will be cast in the lake of fire, which is the second death. (see Revelation 20:15) But no. 24 says, that the sinners will be just burned and become ashes. Why? I cannot agree with this. In Mark 9:43, 44 Jesus also says that there is hell, where worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched. Can anyone say anything about this?
 written by endtime elijah, October 22, 2009
just read ur post-
SINCERELY WRONG written by YOU ARE SINCERELY WRONG, September 12, 2009 reply- Can a 'just' God be found 'JUST' before any earthly or heavenly COURT of Law for 'burning/tormenting alive' for eternity (endless time) - mere men who commit sin for only a human lifetime of say 70 years? Such a finding must be 'SINCERELY WRONG'!!!! Shalom!
written by endtime elijah, October 22, 2009
Thanks Danilo,
re- ISRAEL AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE written by Danilo Delcoro, September 18, 2009 reply- Your post makes for 'reasonable' reading and actually represents the sentiments of a growing number of adherents. One major point which must not be overlooked is the fact that most if not ALL of the promises originally made to 'Israel' were dependent upon their obedience. We must endeavor to be GODmatic and not always DOGmatic. All true believers are now 'ABRAHAM'S SEED' being Spiritual Israel or "ALL Israel"? The rebirth of Israel as a nation appears to be more of a political effort than anything else. From the 'spiritual' stand point - the temple instruments and the 'red heifer' are being re-invented to re institute the old sacrificial system. Does that not fly directly in the face of the Creator's plan? After Christ the perfect sacrifice, being declared as the Way, the Truth, and the Life, how can He bless or even encourage such efforts? Is it not a counterfeit of the enemy? However, HIS WAYS are passed finding out - only time will tell! Shalom!
 written by Nigel Naicker, October 18, 2009
If Jesus could say go and baptize in the name (singular) FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT! Then that's good enough for me!!!
written by Edgar Araiza, October 13, 2009
We as the end of time people of god, are expecting to b criticized and or persecuted as the apostals were!
We are gods church we are the spiritual jews Ellen White talks about! We are the called, the chosen! My brother in faith Ronald left me without words God bless bro see u in heaven! I believe in a GOD all mighty that can do all things acording to his will!
 written by ronald, October 08, 2009
EGW. UPLIFT "SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST" AS THE CHURCH OF GOD. YOU CAN'T READ FROM HER WRITING OTHER CHURCHES ASIDE FROM "SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST". TO ALL ATTACKING THE CHURCHES LIKE SDA REFORM,SDA DAVIDIAN,SDA INTERNATIONAL REFORM WHAT SO EVER AND OTHERS, YOUR CHURHES CANNOT BE READ FROM THE E.G.W WRITINGS...REFORM HERE IN THE PHILIPINES ARE REVISING EGW BOOK TO SUPPORT THEIR POSITON..HOW SAD. THEY ALSO USE OUR PUBLICATIONS...THERE ARE A LOT LIKE YOU HERE BUT HONESTLY THEY ALWAYS CHALLENGE THE CHURCH FOR PUBLIC DEBATE BUT ALWASY LOST BECAUSE EGW IS NOT AN OFFSHOOT BUT A"sEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST"
written by ronald, October 08, 2009
TO ALL REFORM READ YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE E.G.W. ARTICLES..READ THIS..
"THOSE WHO ARE NOT WALKING IN THE LIGHT OF MESSAGE,MAY GATHER UP STATEMEMNTS FROM MY WRITINGS THAT HAPPEN TO PLEASE THEM, AND THAT AGREE WITH THEIR HUMAN JUGDEMENT, AND, BY SEPERATING THIS STATEMENTS FROM THEIR CONNECTIONS AND PLACING THEM BESIDE HUMAN REASONINGS, MAKE IT APPEAR THAT MY WRITINGS UPHOLD THAT WHICH THEY CONDEMN" LETTER 208,1906 (NOTE THE YEAR)BEYOND 1903  "THE PERSONS(PLURAL) WHO MAKE THESE PROPOSITIONS,FOR AUGTH I KNOW ,MAY BE ABLE TO CONDUCT THE ENTERPRISE OF WHICH THEY WRITE IN A WISE MANNER; NEVERTHELESS I DARE NOT GIVE A LICENSE FOR THE USING OF MY WRITINGS IN THE MANNER THEY PROPOSE" THE WRITING AND SENDING OUT OF THE TESTIMONIES FOR THE CHURCH P.26 YOU SEE
written by ronald, October 08, 2009
Cross....please read to all anti-cross mostly to those reform
THE GLORY OF THE CROSS "tHE REVELATION OF GOD'S LOVE to man is CENTERED TO THE CROSS. iTS FULL SIGNIFICANCE TONGUE CANNOT UTTER, PEN CANNOT PORTRAY, THE MIND CANNOT COMPREHEND. LOOKING UPON THE CROSS OF CALVARY....WE CAN SAY...GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD...JN 3:16" ESSENTILAS FOR HEALTHFUL LIVING, P.1OO, E.G.W. 1 COR. 1:18 "FOR THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS FOOLISHNESS TO THOSE ARE PERISHING, BUT TO THOSE WHO ARE BEING SAVED IT IS THE POWER OF GOD" PHIL. 3:18 "FOR, AS I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFORE AND NOW SAY AGAIN EVEN WITH TERAS, MANY LIVE AS ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST" LK.9:23 "IF ANYONE WOULD COME AFTER ME,HE MUST DENY HIMSELF,TAKE HIS CROSS, AND FOLLOW ME" JESUS SAID... TO THE REFORM, THE SDA VIEW THE CROSS IN DEFFIRENT PERSPECTIVE THAN THE RC OR PROTESTANT. IM SO AMAZE THEY ATTACK THE CHURCH ABOUT THE LOGO. NOTE. E.G.W DIED AS ADVENTIST NOT OFFSHOOTS. IF YOU ARE REALLY FOLLOWING E.G.W YOU WILL NOT LEAVE THE CHURCH. "WE CANNOT STEP OFF THE FOUNDATION THAT GOD HAS ESTABLISHED. WE CANNOT NOW ENTER INTO ANY NEW ORGANIZATION, FOR THIS WOULD MEAN "APOSTACY" FROM THE TRUTH. SELECTED MESSAGES VOL.2, P.390 (1905) "i AM INSTRUCTED TO SAY TO SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS THE WORLD OVER, GOD HAS CALLED "US"(INCLUDING E.G.W.)AS A PEOPLE TO BE PECULIAR TREASURE TO HIMSELF....HE HAS APPOINTED "THAT CHURCH"(SDA) ON EARTH SHALL STAND PERFECTKYUNITED IN THE SPIRIT AND COUNCEL OF THE LORD OF HOST TO THE END OF TIME." SELECTED MESSAGES VOL. 2P. (1908) REFORMS ACCUSED THE SDA CHURCH AS BABYLON READ THIS LIKE YOU.. ""THE MESSAGE TO PRONOUNCE THE SDA CHURCH AS BABYLON AND TO CALL PEOPLE OF GOD TO COME OUT OF HER DOES NOT COME FROM ANY HEAVENLY MESSENGER, OR ANY HUMAN AGENT INSPIRED BY SPIRIT OF GOD" SELECTED MESSAGES , VOL. 2P. 66- WE ARE YOU?SEE.. "i HAVE WRITTEN LONG LETTERS AT DIFFERENT TIMES TO THOSE WHO ARE ACCUSING THE SDA CHURCH BEING BABYLON, THAT THEY WERE NOT HANDLING THE TRUTH...AND THE WORD HAS GIVEN TO ME,"BELIEVE THEM NOT'"I HAVE NOT SENT THEM AND YET THEY RAN" SELECTED MESSAGES VOL 2P.63 MS. E.G.W REBUKE YOU... REFROMS HERE IN THE PHILLIPINES USES ADVENTIST ARTICLE FROM THE PIONEERS EVEN THE AUTHORS OF THIS ARTICLECS NEVER LEAVE THE CHURCH... 
 written by Novilene Bankiao, October 02, 2009
Many that believe the Trinitarian doctrine use 1 John 5:7 as the basis of faith. They do so because of its seemingly easy appearance to be twisted. It simply says, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Because this passage declares "these three are one," they seek to convince us that this means that all three are one single solitary God with all power, yet three separate beings at the same time. Does this theology carry in the Word? Looking to Matthew 19:5-6, we see written, "For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh..." Using the worlds theological definition of the Trinity that states when using the term, "these three are one" must mean one God 100% in three beings. We must also assume that once a man and woman join in marriage, they become one single solitary person yet "mysteriously" two beings because this passage uses the same theology. In the light of Truth this becomes obvious error quite easily doesn't it? The Word also states in John 10:30, " I and my Father are one." So I ask, where does this leave the Holy Spirit since He is not mentioned? Their theology is proven false by the mere use of the biblical jurisprudence necessitated in Isaiah 28:10
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written by endtime elijah, November 16, 2009
If burning/punishment/hell continues FOR EVER - then you MUST agree that those there MUST HAVE IMMORTALITY in order to survive.
The real question about the EVERLASTING HELL and punishment is --- Whom do you BELIEVE --- THE CREATOR or the created ??????????
Adam was dismissed from Eden 'lest he eat from the TREE OF LIFE and live forever' and the way to the TREE was guarded or blocked. The TREE OF LIFE is next seen in New Jerusalem and will be accessed only by those inside.
IMMORTALITY is PROMISED ONLY TO THE RIGHTEOUS at Christ's 2nd coming.
Therefore, the 'WICKED' who are not 'found written in the book of LIFE' --- must have somehow stolen immortality (from YHWH WHO ALONE HAS IMMORTALITY (1 Tim. 6:16) -- which they MUST have in order to survive being burned/tormented 'FOR EVER and EVER' continually.
If you claim that the 'SOUL is already IMMORTAL' - then why bother to seek it???
Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing SEEK for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Timothy 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
2 Timothy 1:10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
CREATOR said -
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt SURELY DIE.
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; --- the soul that sinneth, IT SHALL DIE.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. ----
Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall NOT surely die:
The real question about EVERLASTING HELL and punishment is --- Whom do you BELIEVE --- THE CREATOR or the created ??????????
ALSO CONSIDER THIS -
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
IF Christ paid the PRICE for our salvation - which you claim to be --
EVERLASTING BURNING/PUNISHING - in HELL -
How come you also claim that HE is now in HEAVEN --- making intercession for you ???
IF SO - CHRIST HAS NOT PAID THE FULL PRICE AND YOU ARE STILL REQUIRED TO PAY IT !!!!
Shalom
hell - everlasting??
written by endtime elijah, November 16, 2009
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
This must be saying that 'HELL' is different from the 'the LAKE of fire' --- into which it is 'thrown' - obviously for final destruction after its temporary role is finished.
Isaiah 66:22-24 - speaks of NEW Heavens and NEW Earth ----- no NEW HELL!!!!!
hell
written by endtime elijah, November 16, 2009
Thanks for all posts-
written by Shin Hattori, October 06, 2009
There are many comments saying that hell IS and WILL BE FOREVER. And I believe the same.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to EVERLASTING LIFE, and some to shame and EVERLASTING contempt.
Daniel 12:2
HELL?
written by T TEKOAH, September 19, 2009
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURE TO ME?
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
ESPECIALLY THE PART WERE IT SAYS: and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Elijah reply-
i have replied to some of Shins questions under - 25 BELIEFS - on this website.
Note further - the 'shame' and 'everlasting contempt'.
First - the 'shame' is suffered temporarily by the wicked themselves who are then burnt up and become ashes underfoot - (Mal.4:3)
2nd - they could also be made to experience (like in a video / temporarily)'everlasting contempt' which will cause them to beg to be destroyed. The 'everlasting contempt' for them then continues (for ever) in the minds/memory of all the heavenly hosts/beings/loyal angels who are witnesses to Creator's final JUST act of reducing them to ashes.
The torment (Rev.20:10) can also be seen as specifically pertaining / limited to 'the Devil' only.